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MuddyD
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Nov-16-05, 05:41 AM (PST)
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"Timing"
 
   Hi,

When I am Jamming over a Backing Track, I have been told my Timing is all wrong, I am Not keeping up with the beats, I am a bit confused.

Is he saying that everytime I play a Riff I need to get each Note spot on a beat, I understand when wailing, can go for 7 to 8 beats.

I am trying to learn to keep my left foot tapping to the beats.

It is just an area I am a bit confused with, i am doing OK with my tone and bending.


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webmasteradmin
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Nov-17-05, 04:03 PM (PST)
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1. "RE: Timing"
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Timing is tough. It takes the kind of practice most of us don't want to do. Although by far, the two most important elements of your playing are tone and timing, if I had to pick one that was more important to work on, I would pick timing.

MuddyD- "I am trying to learn to keep my left foot tapping to the beats."
Don't do this intially while trying to play harmonica (do one thing at a time), just practice tapping your foot to heavy beat music like rock, house, dance, or electronica for at least a few weeks to help develope your "foot-tapping" muscles.

MuddyD- "Is he saying that everytime I play a Riff I need to get each Note spot on a beat."
Probably. Most people starting out tend to rush and play everything too early.

MuddyD- ". . . I understand when wailing, can go for 7 to 8 beats."
I don't know what that means but, playing long notes is always a good thing at any tempo-
http://www.harmonicalessons.com/members/when_in.php

Check out the timing drills in this article-
http://www.harmonicalessons.com/members/articles/articledg.php

Let me know if this helps or if you have more questions.

Play on,
Dave Gage


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jolo
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Feb-02-06, 06:24 PM (PST)
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2. "RE: Timing"
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MuddyD,

I just want to add to your comment, that I think timing is one of the most difficult things for everyone to learn, no matter what instrument they are taking up. The timing part is one of the things I reqally like to listen to when I listen to some great lead guitarists. Those whose sense of rhythm is so sharp that they can do long solos while staying withing the context and rhythm of the original song.

For me, take up the harp is the first time I am attemting to really play an instrument and I am in my early 50s.
The timing thing is why for me, it is important to record myself playing with one of the jam tracks.
I was extremely humbled (not that I think I am any good yet), and surprised when I heard myself always a step behind the "jam band".
It is something that I can't forget and need to keep on working on.

When I play along, I do it from my PDA or my PC. On both of those I have a "freeware" Metranome that I can play along with and remind myself to "pick ip up'.

I sometimes talk to a friend of mine who is a muscian and Music Store owner. He was telling me that he felt that he had an "advantage" over some others when he learned the guitar because he already was a drummer for sixteen years and that most guitarists struggle with keeping with the rhythm. A drummer is the man who is the keeper of the rhythm.

Boy, I love to hear him play guitar. Sometimes he would close the store at the end of the day and just blast off with some of the classic rock tunes that I like so much.

Jon

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Hi,

When I am Jamming over a Backing Track, I have been told my Timing is all wrong, I am Not keeping up with the beats, I am a bit confused.

Is he saying that everytime I play a Riff I need to get each Note spot on a beat, I understand when wailing, can go for 7 to 8 beats.

I am trying to learn to keep my left foot tapping to the beats.

It is just an area I am a bit confused with, i am doing OK with my tone and bending.




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jolo
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Feb-02-06, 07:06 PM (PST)
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3. "Free Metronome software"
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LAST EDITED ON Feb-02-06 AT 07:45 PM (PST)
 
Since I mentioned it on my earlier post, I thought that I should share a link to some freeware (or donationware), Metronome software for Windows PCs. A generous Frenchman has this elequently simple and small piece of software that simulates a Metronome. It is called "GiveMe Tac".

Please post of anyone downloads it and likes it. It is always great as well to let the author of the software know that someone likes his software and throwing a few dollars his way is a good idea IF YOU LIKE IT AND USE IT.

Here is the link where you can download the software. Feel free to pass it on to anyone else, and since it is freeware, the link can be posted on this web site, if so desired by "Magic Dave".
Click_For_Metronome_Site_.

Jon


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4. "RE: Free Metronome software"
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Jon,

Excellent posts. I hope some folks will take advantage of the software. Also note that on the MIDI FILES page are a few MIDI files that only have the drum track and are great for practicing to to work on timing.

Play on,
Dave Gage


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jolo
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Feb-03-06, 11:21 PM (PST)
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5. "RE: Free Metronome software"
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Those midis are so great. They help a lot and make learning a lot more fun.

I would also like to mention another potential tool. My son has a Casio Keyboard.
I sometimes have a blast practicing and messing around with that, because there are sooo many rhythms that I can play along with as well as control the tempo of each of the rhythms. Sometimes my 10 year old son like to mess with me and choose different rhythms and change the tempo on me just for fun.

It is very easy to do only drums with keyboards or have more of a rhythm section as well.
A lot of fun to practice with and play with.

There may be some individuals who were blessed with a natural perfect sense of rhythm, but I would think to pick up that sense of rhythm would be just about next to impossible without someone accompaniement, teacher feedback and/or recording oneself. I was rather shocked when I first heard my recording of myself playing on one track and the music I was "attempting" to jam with on the other track.

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Jon,

Excellent posts. I hope some folks will take advantage of the software. Also note that on the MIDI FILES page are a few MIDI files that only have the drum track and are great for practicing to to work on timing.

Play on,
Dave Gage




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6. "RE: Free Metronome software"
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Jon,

I'm glad you like the MIDI files. I just recently added all the additional keys for those playing chromatic or wanting to practice the "feel" of different key diatonics.

I agree about the Casio. There are lots of fun drum patterns to play to. I used to recommend Drum Machines, but they got very expensive and you can basically get that and much more out of inexpensive keyboards.

JON: "There may be some individuals who were blessed with a natural perfect sense of rhythm"
DG: That certainly wasn't me. I got where I got by playing to drum machines (way back in the 80's) and doing simple exercises like quarter notes on hole 4 blow and draw until I felt the unison beat with the machine. 10-15 minutes a day for a few weeks can create a drastic improvement in timing. These days I mostly jam to house and hip-hop beats for their strong adherence to beat and timing.

Play on,
Dave Gage


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7. "RE: Free Metronome software"
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Dave,

I'll take you up on the suggestion on working on the timing. It really isn't easy and I sometimes get flustered when I know I "missed", and need to get back on time.

Dave,

Is the timing aspect the type of thing that you practice and that at sometime, then you get the "feel" of it ?
It appears to be something as important as any parts of the practice because if that rhythm and timing isn't there, it could be rather embarresing to try to jam with people. I got humbled again last night when recording myself.

What I did was to put on the little Metronome software and record while it was playinmg. What is good that I here my playing with the Metronome in the background. You can set this little freebee product to have different sounds and amount of beats per measure.

I think I will keep it very simple from know on when I record myself so I do not get discouraged.


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8. "RE: Free Metronome software"
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If you haven't already seen this article, you might want to take a look-
http://www.harmonicalessons.com/members/articles/articledg.php

JON- "Is the timing aspect the type of thing that you practice and that at sometime, then you get the "feel" of it ?"
DG- Yes, at the minimum it takes months. It is not an overnight kind of thang. Again, there is nothing better than practicing 1/4 notes to get a feel for the beat.

JON- "It appears to be something as important as any parts of the practice because if that rhythm and timing isn't there, it could be rather embarresing to try to jam with people."
DG- I firmly believe timing is the most important aspect of playing. It is more important than note selection and your techniques. But obviously, those other things are important also.

Play on,
Dave Gage


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