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Jazzy J
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"Using a Neck Rack"
 
   I got a neck rack for my birthday about a month ago, and i've been trying to play my banjo and harmonica at the same time (cuz i can play dueling banjos with myself!!) but i can't figure out how to put the harmonica in/on the rack, i think i figured it out, but it doesn't look or feel right the way i ahve it on, if someone could explain to me how to do this i'd be very grateful


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1. "RE: Using a Neck Rack"
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I got a neck rack for my birthday about a month ago, and i've been trying to play my banjo and harmonica at the same time (cuz i can play dueling banjos with myself!!) but i can't figure out how to put the harmonica in/on the rack, i think i figured it out, but it doesn't look or feel right the way i ahve it on, if someone could explain to me how to do this i'd be very grateful


Which one did you get, they are all slightly different?

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2. "RE: Using a Neck Rack"
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   I got the Hohner Neck Rack...hope they don't make more than one, cuz thats all i know to tell you, its from Hohner, the one recommended at this site


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3. "RE: Using a Neck Rack"
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I got the Hohner Neck Rack...hope they don't make more than one, cuz thats all i know to tell you, its from Hohner, the one recommended at this site


Can you be more specific as to what is working for you and what isn't? Basically, you've gotten a decent harmonica holder so put the harmonica in with the low notes to the left and go to town.

Unless you are already very comfortable with playing the banjo and the harmonica one at a time, you will most likely find it very difficult to coordinate playing both simultaneously. Time and practice is the simple solution to this problem.

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4. "RE: Using a Neck Rack"
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   No, i know its gonna be pretty hard to do, but I'm not sure that i'm even putting the harmonica in the rack right, theres something you push down and put the harp in between this and the top of the rack if i'm doing it right, but then when i try to play the harmonica always ends up falling out, sometimes without my touching it


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5. "RE: Using a Neck Rack"
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   I could use some tips on using a neck rack too.. my harps don't fall out but they don't feel comfortable either. I've tried all different positions when tightening the wing nuts down on the sides and no matter the angle, I feel like I have to lean too far forward and crick my shoulders to reach it. Any suggestions?


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6. "RE: Using a Neck Rack"
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   LAST EDITED ON Aug-13-03 AT 05:02 AM (PST)
 
Still no replies... Doesn't ANYONE have tips on using racks?!


08-13-03, 9 AM EST


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7. "Neck Rack Review and some Tips"
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Still no replies... Doesn't ANYONE have tips on using racks?!


08-13-03, 9 AM EST



I've been putting off responding because I'm planning on doing reviews of the different neck racks at our Store, but it may be a while before I have time to get to it so here goes. . .

Basically, they all kinda suck. It's just a matter of which one sucks the least for you.

The cheapest one is the AXMAN. It is built of sturdy materials, but lacks a tightening wingnut on one side, so any amount of pressure makes the harmonica move away from your mouth. . . not good. . . very frustrating. I even drilled out the riveted side and put in another wingnut, but it didn't help much. Also, the harmonica is held into the tray so tightly by the springs on either side, I find it difficult to switch harmonicas quickly. I don't recommend it.

HOHNER MODELS- Both are built of sturdy materials and are relatively inexpensive, but neither one works very well.

The HH-01 is designed specifically for diatonics, but doesn't allow right to left positioning of the harmonica (the width of the tray is the same as the length of the diatonica). Therefore, you are stuck playing the harmonica in the position Hohner thinks you should play it in. I would rather move the harmonica to the right as far as possible so I can center on hole 2 draw for playing 2nd position (which is what I primarily do). Also, the angle of the harmonica to your mouth is bad. The angle should be such that you can blow the straight through the hole instead of focusing the air downward, which by default, you must do with this neck rack. The metal tubing that lines both sides of the rack CANNOT BE BENT to correct the angle for correct airflow without first heating it (I don't have the equipment to do this).

The other Hohner model, HH-154, is just plain silly. It is designed for harmonicas larger than a standard diatonic (up to 7.5"). When was the last time you saw someone with a neck rack play a harmonica that wasn't a standard 10-hole diatonic? In 25 years, I don't think I ever have. If you try to use one of these with a regular diatonic, you won't have much luck. They don't fit very well or stay in place.

The LEE OSKAR HARMONICA HOLDER is the most expensive and constructed with the flimsiest metals, but I think it's the best of the bunch. It is made specifically for standard 10-hole diatonics, but there is enough space in the tray that you are able to slide the harmonica over to the right or left by about 1 inch for better positioning when playing in the 2nd position. I was also able to bend in the thin metal bars on both sides (in towards your mouth) so that the angle of the harmonica was in a better place to focus the airflow straight through the holes. I also like the fact that the design of the tray holds the harmonica securely and leaves plenty of room to get the harmonica into your mouth for better tone production.

TIPS:

If a neck rack is important to you and your music, don't take my word for it, try the different ones and see what works best for you.

If you play guitar while standing and are using a strap, try putting the harmonica holder around your neck first and then put the guitar and strap over it. The guitar strap will pull the neck rack over to the right which puts the low end of the harmonica closer to your mouth and also gets the holder out of your way if your want to watch your left hand when you play (this is assuming you are a right-handed guitar player). You also don't have the harmonica right in your face when you're singing -- I like that.

(I may turn this into a "Featured Article" for the site. If I do, I'll include some photos so it's easier to follow).

Good luck,
Dave Gage

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9. "RE: Neck Rack Review and some Tips"
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   Thank you Dave, sounds like a great idea for an article, (and the pictures will help too). I don't feel so bad after reading that even guys like you who know what they're doing have had similar difficulties. Two more questions: Do you know kind of rack Pike was talking about in his post? Also, what did the old guys use before racks were manufactured commercially?


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10. "RE: Neck Rack Review and some Tips"
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Thank you Dave, sounds like a great idea for an article, (and the pictures will help too). I don't feel so bad after reading that even guys like you who know what they're doing have had similar difficulties. Two more questions: Do you know kind of rack Pike was talking about in his post? Also, what did the old guys use before racks were manufactured commercially?


"Do you know kind of rack Pike was talking about in his post?"
No. I'm sure someone makes a cool one some place, but I don't have a clue as to who or where. I'm not convinced it would matter anyway. The biggest problem remains doing 2 or 3 things at once. Try all the search engines with different keywords.

"what did the old guys use before racks were manufactured commercially?"
If I'm not mistaken, they used coat hangers (I did this once in the 70's for a last minute talent show where I walked on my hands and played "Oh Sussannah" -- it killed)

Good luck,
Dave Gage

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12. "RE: Neck Rack Review and some Tips"
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"what did the old guys use before racks were manufactured commercially?"
If I'm not mistaken, they used coat hangers (I did this once in the 70's for a last minute talent show where I walked on my hands and played "Oh Sussannah" -- it killed)

That's a riot Dave! And believe it or not, an inspiration, I haven't walked on my hands for years but I gave it a shot this morning (it's almost 9am here now).. it was fun, I had a few laughs.. it's good to start the day with a smile.

If you would please, include a picture of how you bend a coat hanger into a harp holder in your upcoming rack article, history interests me. Also include a picture of you playing while walking on your hands if you have one. I'd like to see it, the others probably do too. I'm thinking about writing a short story, I'm going to follow up on those jam-to cd's first though (thank you mojo. I have a few more in my collection now but haven't had the time to practice much lately, except in the car, it may be a few weeks yet.

Back to the racks, you re-emphasized that the bigger obstacle was doing several things at once, I think you're right. I'm not a very good guitar player and I'm just now getting the hang of this harp thang, so when I'm goofing around, I find I alternate more than play at the same time, then it gets tiring and I end up putting one down. Any songs that you can think of to practice bringing the two, harp and guitar, together? How about drums?


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13. "RE: Neck Rack Review and some Tips"
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What do you think of the Dunlop rack? It looks like it adjusts well due to its two joints, but would the odd attatchment hinder tone and/or volume?


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8. "RE: Using a Neck Rack"
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No, i know its gonna be pretty hard to do, but I'm not sure that i'm even putting the harmonica in the rack right, theres something you push down and put the harp in between this and the top of the rack if i'm doing it right, but then when i try to play the harmonica always ends up falling out, sometimes without my touching it


Jazzy,

You must have gotten the Hohner HH-154. I apologize for that, it isn't your fault that the neck rack doesn't seem very functional. We asked specifically that our affiliate carry the HH-01 for diatonics. They had it for a while, but then switched it with the HH-154 and didn't bother to tell us (that's why we have the photo of the HH-01 at our Store).

Please read my review of the neck racks on this page.

Good luck,
Dave Gage

http://www.harmonicalessons.com
Listen to CD Song Samples-
http://www.davegage.com/sound.html


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Jazzy J
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11. "RE: Using a Neck Rack"
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   Yea i think I did get the HH-154, because that thing is really big, oh well, I'm sure i'll be able to figure something out with it, but I found out that the way I was putting the harmonica on the rack WAS right, its just the size of it i guess that messed me up, but thanks for the info Dave


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